Moving from Super 8 to 16mm

[PannyDeters]

If a person were wanting to make the move from Super 8 to 16mm, and they wanted to shoot sync sound with something like a mini-disc recorder and edit on a computer, what cameras would you guys recommend they start with.

Inexpensive is the keyword.

-DannyOKC

[Greg Crawford]

Get a CP-16 R - With Super 16 modification. or a Eclair NPR or ACL. for Super 16 cameras. Check out Visual Products on the net.

[Matt Pacini]

I have the CP-16R, (non- super 16 modified) and I'm very happy with it.
For under $2,000 you can have a nice little setup.
The S16 mod will run you another $2,000 though.

Matt Pacini

[Nigel]

I my opinion--You should not go near Reg.16. Go Super16 or go home. It won't cost you much more up front but you have a format that is great for video and 35mm blow ups.

You should be able to find a decent camera camera package for $4000USD--Depending on some factors.

Good Luck

[Matt Pacini]

I have the CP-16R, (non- super 16 modified) and I'm very happy with it.
For under $2,000 you can have a nice little setup.
The S16 mod will run you another $2,000 though.

Matt Pacini

[PannyDeters]

What about the Bolex H16?

Avoid because it's not Super 16?

When I see prices quoted for 16mm (film, processing, etc.) it's the same for regular or Super, since the process and film are the same, right?

In other words, are there any hidden costs in using Super 16 over regular 16?

-DannyOKC

[Nigel]

Exactly--

There are no hidden costs to shooting S16. It doesn't cost more. It is ideal for HD Xfer and 35mm blow-up. R16 is pretty much dead--The only people that continue to shoot it are students.

Good Luck

[rollemfilm]

I'm a professional and I use regular 16...
Like super 16, 35mm, super 8 or reg 8mm, it's another option for the filmmaker to use.

[Nigel]

Yeah--I understand that there are some pros out there that continue to shoot R16. But why?? Why shoot a 1.33 aspect ratio?? Why not just shoot the wider image then crop it if you need to?? That way you are don't give up as much as when you shoot R16 and crop to 1.85.

Good Luck
PS--I have that damn flu and so I have been spending why to much time on the internet. Arrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!

[rollemfilm]

You may consider a Canon Scoopic M. For the money, it's hard to beat. The cameras can be upgraded with a crystal for sync shooting, it's got basic slow motion, behind the lens filter, a decent Canon zoom lens with macro and with the
"MS" model you can shoot with 400ft mags. They are not self blimped, however, the Scoopic is not nearly as loud as an Arri S or even a Bolex H16.
It was designed to be used for broadcast journalism and works well within the video world. I would never recommend that this camera would be
good for shooting for 35mm blowup. Here, even a Bolex H16 will do a better job. But the Scoopic is a dream camera in some respects because of the many features, including a very fine built in light meter. They also come with a nice right side handle. Although a shoulder mount camera would be a better buy, all these features make the camera cost effective when you add up many of the extras you don't have to buy.

The Film Group has some good info:

http://members.aol.com/fmgp

Oh yes, this camera cannot be upgraded to the much over rated super 16 format...

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